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Will P&G's "Tide Thursday" Be the Same as PM's "Marlboro Friday"?

By Jim Edwards | May 25, 2009

UPDATE: It’s “Tide Thursday” and it turns out Ad Age’s story was mostly wrong. No significant price cuts were announced by P&G — in fact, the company may stage some price increases! It seems that P&G learned the lessons of Marlboro Friday better than Age did.

Procter & Gamble is set to announce price cuts to its Tide brand on Thursday, according to Ad Age. Tide, a premium brand, has lost market share to discount brands, and P&G wants to stem those losses, Age says.

This is boring news indeed unless you are part of the cult that worships “Philip Morris: Marlboro Friday,” a case study published by the Harvard Business School and an article of faith among the MBA crowd. “Marlboro Friday” is to business school graduates what crack is to crack addicts: It encapsulates in a single (lengthy) anecdote the significance of price discounts, advertising, profit maximization and the idea of “cooperating” with your competitors in order to manage a market.

Age is suggesting that P&G may be about to do for laundry detergent what PM did for cigarettes in 1993 — embark on a profit-crushing discount war.

But a closer look suggests Age may have jumped the gun by declaring that the success of PM’s 1993 episode of marketing aggression is about to be repeated by P&G.

(Interestingly, the subhed on Jack Neff’s article says “P&G Expected to Trim Prices,” but the story itself does not specifically say that will happen. In fact, Neff’s copy says, “Few people are expecting big across-the-board price cuts from P&G,” belying the promise of the article.)

The nugget of the story comes from of a survey by Consumer Edge Research, which claims that 19 percent of Tide users have traded down for a discount brand and that most of them don’t want to return to the more expensive P&G brand. P&G has lost revenue and share in Q1 2009, according to Age.

This, if true, places P&G is in superficially the same position as PM. Before 1993, PM’s Marlboro dominated the premium cigarettes segment. RJ Reynolds dominated the discount cigarette channel with brands such as Austin and Jacks. (Never heard of them? That’s because they’re discount smokes — you’re not supposed to have heard of them.) But by 1993, RJR had increased its market share and PM had declined.

So PM announced a price war: It would cut the price of Marlboro and begin a customer loyalty program, the “Marlboro Adventure Team,” that rewarded smokers who stuck with the brand. The move crushed PM’s stock and profits, and a lot of packaged goods marketers’ stocks suffered alongside.

This is pretty much where Age’s explanation of Marlboro Friday ends — it was the day a big brand died by deciding to rely on discounts, promotions and tons of advertising.

The real significance of Marlboro Friday, however, is what happened afterwards. PM also raised the prices of its discount brands and eventually PM regained its share from RJR and preserved the dominance of Marlboro. From that point on, both companies concentrated on loyalty programs for their own smokers (remember RJR’s Camel Cash?), not on discount wars to steal each other’s customers. PM wasn’t capitulating to a price war, but signalling to RJR that both companies should stay in their niches — premium and discount — and not undermine each other. PM’s stock regained its value within two years. By going back to their niches, both companies made more money; they were no longer burning their profits by competing.

Is this what P&G is doing, signalling to Clorox et al to stay within their niches? Possibly, but there are some key differences. First, no one is addicted to laundry liquid the way they are to cigarettes. The repetitive consistency of laundry isn’t as resistant to price changes as the repetitive consistency of smoking. All detergents clean clothes — not all cigs taste the same to smokers.

Second, consumers aren’t trading down because competitors are in a price war, they’re trading down because they have less money due to the recession. It’s not clear where discount detergent makers are supposed to retreat to — they’ve always been cheap. It’s P&G’s brands that are the problem, not theirs.

Third, the significance of Marlboro Friday is that it was entirely generated by internal category competitive measures, not external environmental factors. Thus, P&G may have started a price war that it cannot finish, because there is no way to win a discounting battle by stealing share and then, later, re-raising prices if your consumers feel they don’t have enough money to remain brand loyal. And when the recession ends and consumers again feel rich, the experience may only have taught them about the relative value of discount brands.

Jim Edwards, a former managing editor of Adweek, has covered drug marketing at Brandweek for four years, and is a former Knight-Bagehot fellow at Columbia University's business and journalism schools. Follow him on Twitter or send him an email.

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    Yes -- the third significant item is the external nature of this
    price challenge. "History does not repeat itself necessarily -
    - but it rhymes," so Mark Twain is credited with saying.

    That is -- P&G is feeling a downward price pressure from
    retailers (and consumers perhaps), and is experiencing a
    minor share erosion. The "feeling" is the same as that which
    led to Marlboro Friday -- but the impetus is different.

    Consumers are finally coming out of the "build it and they
    will come state of mind" that has thrown us all into a sea of
    debt and left us much more genuinely cash strapped.
    Consumers must now look at the price of every purchase --
    even a commodity such as laundry detergent -- and look for
    genuine value in the item.

    "Value" is going to become even more important -- the
    consumer value proposition -- of course. But, this change in
    consumer purchasing may be more permanent than in
    cycles of the past. The combination of decreased prices and
    increased promotion is perhaps, in the largest sense, the
    market force being applied to the market leader. The
    double-move is a good move by P&G. And, these moves
    probably signal a way of the future that is not going to leave
    us too soon. This may be the new turf upon which brand
    propositions are supported. The relatively easy gravy (once
    considered a very tough boat to tow) is gone.

    The brand will have to earn the consumer faith anew -- as it
    did when it was first created. Rather than the expected
    news this Thursday signaling a coming downward cycle of
    discounts and the death knell for brands (as was the fear of
    Marlboro Friday) it may signal the resurgence of the
    creative movement required to create brand preference.
    This is sharpening of the brand sword -- especially in the
    face of private label brands achieving greatly improved
    shelf presence in the last two years.

    This sharpening of the swords is yet another rhyme in fast
    moving consumer goods marketing history. Yes, the
    consumer is value conscious. And yes, now the marketer
    can't receive the low-hanging fruit of relatively easy-to-
    support brand superiority. There will have to be new
    creative communications delivered in new mediums.

    Perhaps P&G will open up the gates to the next golden age
    of brand marketing.

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