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Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

By Jim Edwards | Nov 10, 2008

833966780_0e211459a5.jpgMedia buyers are shocked — shocked! — that Levi’s wants to get an accurate idea of what agencies are paying for their ad buys. This is presented as some sort of confidentiality breach in today’s Ad Age, which says that in the jeansmaker’s recent agency review Levi’s asked “shops to reveal sensitive price data for other clients …[that] could conceivably be used to determine what their other clients were paying for media.” The mag termed it “an unusual and controversial demand.”

But if you look at this issue from the client’s point of view, it quickly becomes clear that the real scandal is media buyers’ lack of transparency on pricing issues, not clients who want to know what everyone else is paying.

Think of it this way: If you went to buy a car but upon arrival at the dealership found that none of the roadsters had prices on them, you’d be a little bit leery if the salesman told you that the price was $20,000, as low as he could go. You’d probably want to know what everyone else was paying, even at other sales lots, before writing out a check.

It’s the same in virtually every other market for every other type of product — from the stock exchange to the supermarket. Prices are on full display for everyone to see, and everyone knows who’s paying what.

But not in the advertising world. On Madison Avenue, if you want to know what your competitors (or even non-competitors) are paying for their media, and what agencies are charging them to handle it, then suddenly everyone gets all huffy about “client confidentiality” and “best practices.”

Price transparency has the effect of driving prices down, not up, for both media providers (such as TV networks) and the agencies that handle the buys. As long as clients are in the dark about whether they’re gettingĀ  good deal or not, prices can rise incrementally and agencies’ cut of the business creeps up with it.

This is why media agencies have expended so much energy over the last few years trying to keep media prices as opaque as possible. Consider: In February, Irwin Gotlieb of GroupM floated the idea that media agencies ought to be able to keep volume discounts on their media buys, even though it’s the clients’ money that earned them and most agency-client contracts have language requiring bills to be paid at net not gross. Burger King even approved of the idea — which is illegal in parts of Europe! Gotlieb insisted his effort would be transparent, but it is hard to figure out how having two streams of money going in opposite directions between seller, agency and client will make it easier for clients to understand whether they’re getting a good deal or not — especially if the agency gets to keep one of those streams when it didn’t before.

In 2005, IPG had to give back $250 million to its clients after it wrongly kept media kickbacks — hilariously referred to as “agency volume bonification” at the time — over a period of years and was forced to restate its accounts.

More recently, former Wal-Mart svp marketing Julie Roehm and Microsoft global media director Michael Grubb tried to get an electronic media auction exchange going. That effort was derailed partly by Roehm’s love life. The site where it was supposed to exist is currently closed after it experienced resistance from cable TV sellers.

Think about that: Why would someone selling something not want a freely traded exchange on which to offer their wares? Answer: Because they know that as soon as everyone finds out what the real prices of inventory are, then the prices will fall.

So clients who hear their media agencies telling them scare stories about client confidentiality might want to ask themselves exactly whose confidence is really at risk here: The agencies and sellers who have an interest in keeping prices opaque and high, or the clients who still don’t have a transparent market in which to do business.

Photo from Flickr user China Guccio, CC.

Jim Edwards, a former managing editor of Adweek, has covered drug marketing at Brandweek for four years, and is a former Knight-Bagehot fellow at Columbia University's business and journalism schools. Follow him on Twitter or send him an email.

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    Palmy

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    Has no one heard of a ratecard? Isn't that the sticker price on your car metaphor? I don't think the car dealer would be wise to tell you the best negotiated rate they have offered in the past few months, so why should media?

    And if you look at the issue a bit closer, wouldn't you discover that certain categories get better rates as an encouragement to them to advertise, while larger companies pay more, which subsidizes the media companies ability to get small advertisers in.

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    SjButton

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    Clients pay agencies to buy their media. The cost of that media to the agency is irrelevant. Larger agencies are going to get "better deals" because they handle more accounts and because of this you will (should expect to) get better service ??? they have more representatives that handle only this one thing, they are going to be efficient.

    that is what you're paying for.

    If you want to know how much the agency is buying your media for, call up the media, get their rate card and figure out your frequency.

    If you think it's such a better deal to handle buying your own media to get "that rate" do so, but yeah, you're paying more, they're handling your account...


    Using the car dealership analogy, if you could call up someone to buy you a roadster at the "best rate" in town, wouldn't you do it? Sure you'd pay a little more than if you went out and knew how to get that rate yourself, but it would cost you time and you don't have that expertise. In the end, you're still paying less in time, money and hassle than having to manage finding the best roadster at the best price on your own.


    Ethically, Levi's shouldn't get to know how much everyone is paying for their media campaigns, it's not even an apples for apples comparison because it's customized for each client.

    And why should an agency have to give the inventory rate of their product? You don't ask this of any department store or wholesaler. You agree on a price, you do business. That's how it works. How could an agency exist if they just gave you the rate that they paid without any mark-up. They have personnel, equipment, overhead, just like every other business.

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    percychow

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    [ Shrugs ]

    I've been on both sides of the spectrum - running my
    own ad agency and now doing the buying part...

    I personally was always transparent with my clients. I
    told them I got a volume discount and charged them
    retail. That was my "project management" fee. They
    were all happy with that arrangement because yes,
    they could argue that they would save money by
    buying themselves or by managing media themselves...

    But none of them ever did. FWIW one of my accounts
    was Verizon Wireless.

    BUT NOW - I get to hammer on agencies which try to
    pull a fast one with their rates. NO, I don't expect that
    same mentality that I used to operate on BUT a client
    should *feel* they are getting a fair price and not feel
    like they are being taken advantage of.

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    BNET's Jim Edwards

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    Good points all. As for the rate card: Only people who don't know what they're doing pay the rate card price. Agencies are supposed to be bargaining that down with bulk purchases. As rival agencies and clients don't know what the average bargained price is, because the info is "confidential," the seller is in the stronger position to keep the average higher than it would be if one company could point to a cheaper price and say, 'hey! i want to pay that rate!'

    and while buys may be customized, the media sellers are providing a commosity product. 30 seconds of primetime is 30 seconds of primetime no matter how you slice it.

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    Palmy

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    Jim,

    Are you saying content and context have no place in advertising? A :30 is not a :30, just ask an airline that gets placed in near a story about a plane crash on 20/20.

    While I may not be a buyer/planner any more, I am a seller, it's comments like yours going unchallenged that makes clients think this is a commodity business. It is NOT a commodity, it is a service with experts in their fields performing it with years of experience.

    By negotiating off rate card the client will have a better sense of the value that the agency can provide, it creates the playing field we all work within. If Agency X can get 30% off, and Agency Y can get 40%, the client can determine if the lower cost is worth the strategic insights behind the costs. Without a ratecard it would be up to each agency to "claim" a discount.

    What Levis' should do is gather all their ratecards over the years and compare what they have paid with each agency and figure a weighted discount % for each agency, and take into account economic situation, sales growth, awareness growth, budget allocations and messaging to determine which agency does a better job spending the money, and THEN they can decide if they can bring those services in-house if they feel the value is not right with an agency arrangement.

    I believe we should be seeking solutions and offering up alternatives, not just pointing the finger at media in general saying we're broken and we should be thrown out, not fixed.

    And I do not agree with an agency billing in gross, everything should be done in net and apply commission on top of that, that way the client knows exactly what they are paying for.

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    Palmy

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    PS to my last comment on Levi's comparing agencies...
    They should do this with their own internal staff, not have an agency who works on commission take on the workload of defending the media planning/buying industry as a whole.

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    nancassidy

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    I think it is time foir an overhaul of the advertising industry and Levi's is taking the lead on what needs to happen. While working in network radio sales I worked with so many agencies that really didn't care about what outcomes the advertising was getting their clients, all they cared about was spending the ad dollars and reaping their benefits.
    I think companys/brands need to take a more active role in media buying.
    My entertainment company has a new business model that will allow company's/brands to use media campaigns to that pay for themselves.
    Nan Cassidy
    CEO Tunesmith Ventures

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    BNET's Jim Edwards

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    Palmy: I have to disagree with you. You said clients should:

    "Gather all their ratecards over the years and compare what they have paid with each agency and figure a weighted discount % for each agency, and take into account economic situation, sales growth, awareness growth, budget allocations and messaging to determine which agency does a better job spending the money, and THEN they can decide if they can bring those services in-house."

    This cannot be the best, nor easiest solution. It's way too complicated a solution and can be manipulated by adjusting even slightly any of the variables you've got going into the formula.

    Surely the easiest solution would be for network inventory to be sold on an electronic exchange like stocks. Prices would rise and fall according to demand. And everyone would know exactly what those prices are.

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    Palmy

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    Jim,

    I agree that an open exchange would be the easiest for network TV, but that would open up a can of worms for every other media type. If the EXACT amount every company spent on TV were publicly available, the remaining media types would naturally be pressured to do so as well. Which I do not see benefiting the industry at the end of the day.

    And, in order to be a true market based solution you would need to know real time data, so a company with a secret launch (Hello Steve Jobs I talking about you) would either have to go into the market that day and buy up everything they could at such high prices that competition couldn't just buy it for a $1 more. Or they would have to scrap the idea of secrecy altogether and just buy the inventory knowing that everyone else can see what they are doing at every moment and how it's effecting the price of inventory (pricing is date dependent as it is, being moment dependent would cause turmoil such that we see on Wall Street now with speculators driving the news that effects the prices).

    Argh the thought of it has so many problems...
    -So Kraft, Homegoods and ShamWOW would pay the same for every spot, no matter the budget
    -So no DR TV would exist
    -Eliminate barter
    -Spot TV would probably cease being profitable in small markets
    -All spots would be subject to pre-emption
    -Sponsorships would cease to exist

    So I agree with ease, but at what expense? And why should we make spending Billions of dollars easy a priority over quality and strategy?

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    BNET's Jim Edwards

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    Palmy:

    You raise an interesting point but I think there are two answers to it.

    1. If your marketing strategy is based on the secrecy of your launch schedule, then I suspect you don't have a very good strategy or product. The strength of a campaign should never be dependent on its "surprise" quality. (Otherwise how would Xmas or back to school advertisers survive?)

    2. The problems you raise here already exists in that other transparent real-time market I mentioned -- the stock market. Traders know that if they buy in bulk they may drive up the price of a stock as others begin to suspect that the trader knows something they don't. The solution to this is not to make stock trades secret (that would be insider trading), but to live with media that is priced accurately based on aggregate demand and supply. Only on Madison Avenue is price secrecy regarded as a good thing.

    As for Kraft v ShamWow etc -- why should Kraft subsidize ShamWow's media buys?

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    Palmy

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    I completely understand your point on #2. However I can't shake the feeling that the stock market has one fundamental difference that makes the comparison a moot point and that's the time factor. The fact that the superbowl is once a year means that 2/2/09 that 3 million dollar spot is gone (or in your stock market example it would be a folded business). Can you imagine how difficult trading would be if your were only trading based on when the stock would be worthless and not on how much it will be worth? Individual perishable products are not generally sold on the open stock market (are they?, I'm not a Wall Street guy, but I remember Pig Bellies from Trading Places being a futures).

    Also isn't the open markets designed to make the process a two way street... Would NBC really want Kraft profiting from buying a lot of spots at a low price and then sell them high?

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    BNET's Jim Edwards

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    RE: Levi's Asks for Transparency and Media Buyers Balk

    I'm not entirely sure what you're driving at but ... lots of goods are traded on exchanges with the knowledge that they become worthless at a certain date. Plane tickets are the most obvious. Think how much cheaper plane tix would be if all airlines had to trade seats on a central online exchange and all vacancies were visible to buying passengers. Seats would finally become what they're worth. And yes, some people would buy up certain routes in advance only to resell them, but so what? Transparency would provide their true value in the market.

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