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Toyota Hedges its Bets on Plug-In Hybrids (Part Two)

By Jim Motavalli | Jun 5, 2009

My post earlier this week on Toyota’s problems with plug-in hybrid cars apparently hit a nerve with a lot of readers. Yes, some influential voices in the American branch of the company question whether plug-ins make sense—largely because they add weight, cost and complexity.

But Toyota spokesman John Hanson, after reading the earlier post, says the company’s position is actually more nuanced than that. “We have an important global Prius [plug-in hybrid] ‘demonstration project’…beginning later this year. We wouldn’t be investing so much if we didn’t consider it viable and promising.”

The obstacle, Hanson said, is that “due to the high cost of lithium batteries, the cost premium may not justify the all-electric feature [for] customers with long commute cycles. And many customers will simply not have access to charging stations…some not even at home.”

Some of these same objections are raised in academic reports from Duke and Carnegie Mellon Universities. Duke expresses concern about increased electricity demand from large fleets of plug-in hybrids, and Carnegie Mellon said that larger plug-ins, with 40 miles of all-electric range, “do not offer the lowest lifetime cost in any scenario, although they could minimize greenhouse gas emissions for some drivers and provide potential to shift air pollutant emissions away from population centers.”

Toyota will start leasing a fleet of 500 plug-in hybrids in Japan, Europe and the U.S. by the end of the year. The company does have a history of skepticism about plug-in hybrid cars. The late Dave Hermance, executive engineer for advanced technology, made that a regular theme.

But Felix Kramer of CalCars.org, a tireless advocate for plug-in hybrids, points out that Toyota “doesn’t offer equivalent objections to any other solutions it advocates.” He thinks the company will change its position when plug-ins are rolled out and become a success in the marketplace. Kramer’s more detailed thoughts are posted in response to my earlier story here.

Jim Motavalli is the author of Forward Drive: The Race to Build Clean Cars for the Future, among other books. He has been covering the environmental side of the auto industry for more than a decade, and writes regularly on those topics for the New York Times.

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    RE: Toyota Hedges its Bets on Plug-In Hybrids (Part Two)

    Electric cars will flop. Not many will buy a car that can't go at least 200 miles. Period.

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    RE: Toyota Hedges its Bets on Plug-In Hybrids (Part Two)

    I find it humorous that Felix thinks he knows more about engineering and physics more than Toyota and Honda with regards to the viability of battery technology. You can also revue a report by the hydrogen association weighing all technologies and the resulting data on their website.

    We all know what is really holding back H2 technology and that is Big Oil and Global chemical companies poised to profit from this misguided direction with batteries.

    By the way, the first internal combustion engines invented in 1800's ran on hydrogen.

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    RE: Toyota Hedges its Bets on Plug-In Hybrids (Part Two)

    Correction: Revue should be review...

    http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/general/evolution.asp

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    RE: Toyota Hedges its Bets on Plug-In Hybrids (Part Two)

    The ultimate future car for most people will be a plug-in
    hybrid with a clean diesel engine and a configurable ?chip? to
    match your driving profile/preferences. At present, I do not
    understand the comments along the lines of "need 200 miles
    on a single charge or market will not accept plug-in hybrids,"
    or "you need to carry around 300 lbs of batteries as dead
    weight." In a hybrid, you can use only the internal
    combustion engine to drive as long as you want. Am I missing
    something? Yes, the plug-in batteries are more expensive.
    However, can someone confirm that a plug-in battery feature
    will require additional 300 lbs? The case for plug-in hybrids
    becomes simple as long as car companies program the hybrid
    cars to use only the electric motor to drive the first 40 miles
    (not all hybrid technologies allow for this). The stats are
    clear: in 85% of the instances, people drive less than 40
    miles a day. When you are out of charge for ANY reason, just
    use the gasoline engine until you can re-charge. Charging at
    night also uses much-cheaper electricity rates. By the way, I
    sincerely believe that Toyota has viable plug-in hybrid
    technology today, and is not exposing it due to their
    marketing brilliance and business savvy: Toyota's current
    product line gives them the largest market share. So, why
    cannibalize your sales when you are so far ahead of "number
    2"? As soon as the competition appears viable, watch Toyota
    come to the market with a product that performs slightly
    better at the same price or costs slightly less for similar
    performance. This has been Toyota's motto from its birth,
    and its design/engineering prowess allowed/allows them to
    succeed with this business practice. This is also why GM's
    Volt will be a bust on 2010.

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