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Why Arizona's Solar-Powered Train Won't Work

By Chris Morrison | May 13, 2009

Another day, another proposal for a multi-billion dollar rail line in the United States. An Arizona company called Solar Bullet wants to build a 220 mile-per-hour train from Tucson to Phoenix, a journey of about 115 miles. Aside from the whopping $27 billion price tag for just the first phase, this idea has garnered a rush of attention for another reason — the promise to make it solar powered.

Four parallel tracks (not shown in the artist’s rendering) would run fast and slow trains in each direction, with the slow one making six intermediate stops and doubling the one-way time to 60 minutes. Over the tracks for the entire distance would be a solar panel array, providing the necessary power, which Solar Bullet says would be about 110 megawatts.

There’s a sort of cool, kill-two-birds beauty to the idea of simultaneously reducing oil consumption through mass transit and powering it with solar panels. And all the company’s two founders are asking is $35,000 for a feasibility study. But to save time, I conducted my own feasibility thought experiment, done for the cost of this posting.

The results were not encouraging. Here are a few reasons why Solar Bullet has a snowball’s chance in the Arizona sun of succeeding:

  • Arizona is a great area for solar power, but like all our sunniest areas, doesn’t have the population density to make mass transit sufficiently profitable
  • Solar power peaks at midday, whereas peak transit times are in the morning and early evening, before and after there’s enough power available
  • While solar panels would cover all 115 miles, the trains would need power at specific points, potentially requiring expensive battery energy storage
  • Spreading panels across a vast distance adds greatly to maintenance costs, and would add an additional risk of theft and vandalism
  • Bond and loan costs for new train systems are already crushingly high; adding in solar will only add to that problem

The final point I might make is the most important: energy is all about price. Adding in cute distribution schemes is about showmanship or politics, and will inevitably fail because they tend to add enough extra cents to the cost-per-kilowatt-hour to make it impractical.

It’s easy to poke holes in ideas like this, but ultimately they will have effects, albeit unintended ones. One possibility is that people will become fed-up with hearing about the next cool energy idea, something that has already happened to an extent. But the other, more helpful possibility is that talking about what will and won’t work will be educational, helping us to make better choices in the future.

In the meantime, if you’ve got any more reasons that a solar-powered train would or wouldn’t work, feel free to add them below.

Chris Morrison, a reporter on energy, renewables and climate change, is the former lead cleantech writer for VentureBeat. Follow him on Twitter.

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    kirsten korosec

    05/13/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why Arizona's Solar-Powered Train Won't Work

    You're right it's unlikely. As one who has endured the nearly two-hour truck infested drive on Interstate 10 between Tucson and Phoenix, I would welcome any kind of high-speed train.

    How would this $27 billion project be funded anyway? I'm guessing a mixture of tax incentives and private funding. There isn't a ton of support for ANY kind of taxes here even if it means making substantial improvements.

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    cambioenergy

    05/13/09 | Report as spam

    The train would work!

    In response to each of your points:

    1. If you can get from Phoenix to Tucson in 30 minutes, it
    will catch on and become profitable. No one wants to drive
    for 2 hours or more depending on traffic which is pretty
    much horrible on that road at all times.

    2. Any extra power the canopy produces when energy
    harvest is at its peak and travel is at it slowest will be sent
    back to the grid as a net-metering 1:1 credit and can be
    used during rush hour. I don't know much about bullet trains
    and how much power they require but I DO know how much
    110 MW is. It's a lot. Likely more than they need at any one
    time.

    3. No need for batteries if this line of panels acts essentially
    like power lines. It's a continuous system so the power is
    everywhere equally along the route. This is more than
    feasible by the engineers.

    4. Maintenance is no big deal at all. The monitoring system
    would alert to any abnormal performance. It's only a max 2
    hour drive on the highway to get out to a problem area.
    Four times per year the panels would have to be sprayed off
    of dirt and debri. Theft/Vandalism...yes that is a problem.
    No arguement there.

    5. Could not tell you about train bonds. But I can say there
    are a lot of investors right now that would be glad to invest
    in large solar systems selling back the power. This is huge
    right now.

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    Chris Morrison

    05/13/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why Arizona's Solar-Powered Train Won't Work

    Cambio, you're probably right (and I'm wrong) about the batteries. The rest, I wouldn't bet on. Maintenance is always a big deal when your margins are hair thin.

    The cost of the whole system is the killer, though. Say the state builds this, then needs to pay back a billion a year, not including interest. Break that down a bit further -- somehow, it has to pay off almost $3 million a day. The train would need tens of thousands of daily riders to make sense.

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    clarkm

    05/14/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why Arizona's Solar-Powered Train Won't Work

    The real value in conceptual projects is the promise of new technology development or the spread of new technology to other areas. This provides neither, it's simply the combining of a hot topic (solar) with an age old problem (transportation). It's too location specific. Why should the nation as a whole fund a project that benefits so few and offers little expansion elsewhere. Federal funds need to be focused on helping the broadest majority. This is a local project that shows no promise of providing a broader benefit.

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    topcat_rw

    06/07/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why Arizona's Solar-Powered Train Won't Work

    Actually it will work just fine. The price quote in the paper was incorrect. The target cost is about $20 - $40 Million a mile. The technology is sound. Have you driven a hybrid car? Now consider the fact that with a fixed known path, the weight of the hybrid energy storage system (Supercap/Battery mix) can be moved from inside the vehicle to outside. Now add modern aerospace fuselage technology to reduce the weight and then consider removing power conversions and transmission losses by using High Voltage VDC instead of non green friendly AC, see Joint Strike Fighter and Space Station, then you easily start to close the technology gap. Also by having the "Linear powerplant approach" robotic cleaning of the panels can be achieved. Not a far stretch at all. RW

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