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Pfizer Sales Reps Discuss Having Sex With Doctors

By Jim Edwards | Jul 24, 2009

Sales reps at Pfizer are using a CafePharma bulletin board to discuss whether it is common for their colleagues to sleep with the doctors whom they are trying to persuade to write prescriptions.

Surprisingly for CafePharma — which has a reputation for being juvenile, offensive and misogynist — the debate is relatively level-headed and tame. Most commenters seem to agree that sex with doctors is going on more inside people’s heads than in reality. The debate started with this question:

Physician’s wife here. Just how prevalent is it? I hear that it happens but does it happen often? Just wondered.

The most common type of answer:

Lots and lots of talk and wishful thinking, but it happens rarely.

Another noted that while there’s plenty of flirting, there’s not a lot of consumating:

Rep here. Unfortunately we get hit on all the time by men like your husband.

The most famous Pfizer rep to describe a doctor-sex story is Jamie Reidy, formerly the self-proclaimed No. 1 Viagra salesman in the U.S. (Reidy was later fired as a sales trainer from Eli Lilly when his book, “Hard Sell,” was published. The book detailed his unethical sales tactics while at Pfizer and is currently being made into a movie, Love and Other Drugs, starring Anne Hathaway and Jake Gyllenhall.)

In the book, Reidy (pictured) describes a female doctor with whom he has drinks in a bar. He fends off her drunken advances, and she passes out and ends up sleeping on his sofa.

On CafePharma, fending off amorous doctors is something of a theme:

They come to dinner programs with a goal in mind that has nothing to do with medicine. Others simply take any kindness by a pretty girl as a come-on and a signal for sex, when nothing could be further from the truth. Shame but true.

Still, it’s hard to know whether to take this post seriously or not:

I have had sex with six married doctors in my career.

Certainly, this one should not be:

I was at a dinner program the other night and as the lecture ended the rep had sex with 4 of the physicians. I found this very disturbing and disapointing (primarily because I was not one of the four physicians selected).

Jim Edwards, a former managing editor of Adweek, has covered drug marketing at Brandweek for four years, and is a former Knight-Bagehot fellow at Columbia University's business and journalism schools. Follow him on Twitter or send him an email.

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    Daniel Haszard

    07/25/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Pfizer Sales Reps Discuss Having Sex With Doctors

    Sleazy sales reps?

    Eli Lilly has received the largest criminal fine ever against a drug company over their Zyprexa cash cow,add it all up comes to $4.6 billion, in Zyprexa settlements,fines,litigation.

    We put Lilly products in our babies they really need to clean up their act and quit with the white wash.

    Daniel Haszard http://www.zyprexa-victims.com

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    Manabozho

    07/27/09 | Report as spam

    CafePharma is good enough for Judge Cavanaugh

    Judge Dennis Cavanaugh of the U.S. District Court in New Jersey allowed anonymous CafePharma comments as evidence against Schering-Plough. Seems beyond hearsay--"I, sales rep, heard this story through channels I won't name. Instead of telling some particular person this low-credibility hearsay, I went further and posted it--again, anonymously--in a public forum." Can't get much better evidence than that! This is breathtaking jurisprudence from New Jersey.

    I have no horse in this race, but can't wait to see how it plays out. In lots of cases, both sides are "wrong" and the search is for the lesser wrong. In the Vytorin example, both sides AND the judge look sad. Can't wait to see how anonymous posts at cafepharma stand the test to qualify as probative evidence.

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    IMWeira

    07/27/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Pfizer Sales Reps Discuss Having Sex With Doctors

    I am a nurse and have been for over 40 years. These girls are frequently past beauty contestants and all that I knew were college educated. They were at least as clever as the Docs at the boy/girl game. I do not know of any of our Docs who ever actually scored but they sure talked about it a lot. I will say that it was a different day and sex was not nearly as much a given as it is today but I still suspect the girls are workin' those docs for a sale and nothing else.

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    bluesixer

    08/15/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Pfizer Sales Reps Discuss Having Sex With Doctors

    Former rep here. Of the many sins common to reps (myself included) one of the most common is hubris. Inflated and unchecked ego bolstered by way too much money and a sales culture that encourages reps to think of themselves as badasses for no particular reason.

    Thus I'm guessing a significcant portion of physician's sexual advances towards reps is nothing other than politeness (or grudging tolerance) that gets a purient narrative added for the Cafepharma readers who seem unable to find pornography elsewhere on the internet.

    I have no evidence - this is just idle conjecture.

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