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Apple TV Doesn't Make Sense

By Erik Sherman | Aug 24, 2009

There are new rumors about yet another Apple product — not some variation on the tablet, but a TV. Not TV service, but a physical device to be released in 2011:

The system would include built-in digital video recorder (DVR) and home media functionality. Munster said such integration would let users sync recorded shows to Macs, iPhones and iPods over a wireless network.

This is supposed to be an expansion on Apple TV, a service that lets consumers listen and watch iTunes-delivered media as well as rent movies. Maybe I’m missing the obvious, but this doesn’t make any sense to me for a few reasons:

  • Apple likes markets that are largely unexplored. Management wants to be able to create a product that doesn’t have ready competitors. But unlike the MP3 player and the smartphone, televisions have been around a long time, and multiple vendors are including capability for online streaming HD video rental, to say nothing of incorporating Internet-delivered video.
  • Apple likes premium pricing. You can do that when you are creating a category (and I’d argue that the multi-touch interface smartphone is a new category). But when you’re entering a pre-existing and well-established mature market which has become heavily price driven, that’s tough to achieve.
  • Apple doesn’t mind partnerships, but each side has to be able to bring something, and I don’t see its grasp of the video market to be big enough yet to give it the edge it would want for negotiations.
  • Apple likes to control content. In the iPod, that meant creating a store for downloading music and a device that was compatible with only that source of content. For the iPhone, that has meant controlling the distribution of apps, because that was the content that made a difference. It certainly wasn’t the phone calls, which you could do on anything. But for consumers to be interested in television sets in large enough numbers, they want access to their accustomed fare, and that’s something that the studios and producers cannot hand over on an exclusive basis and remain in business. The time to nail down the seminal arrangements with them is long past.
  • Retailers like to get their fingers thoroughly in the pie, and they would want a good reason to bump out other manufacturers’ offerings, particularly when those vendors are offering substantial discounts and quite often kicking in various forms of additional marketing money.

Maybe Apple is planning something, but it doesn’t seem like it would be the best fit for the company.

Image via Flickr user james.thompson, CC 2.0.

Erik Sherman is a freelance journalist whose work has appeared in Newsweek, the New York Times Magazine, Technology Review, the Financial Times, Chief Executive, and other publications. Follow him on Twitter.

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    jameskatt

    08/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Apple TV Doesn't Make Sense

    Apple - other than computers - has entered well-established
    markets with simply a better product and has blown away the
    established products. Thus, Apple can enter an established
    market. All it needs is the better product.

    The key with AppleTV is to come out with a better product than
    existing television appliances and make it easier to use.
    Currently, AppleTV is not easy to use - it frequently flakes out
    when trying to synchronize it with a Mac to load video and
    audio and graphic files. Apple could make it so much easier.

    Currently, the iPhone 3Gs has more horsepower than the
    Nintendo Wii. Think about that. Think how much more
    powerful AppleTV can be than a Nintendo Wii and how much
    more useful it can be than a Nintendo Wii. There you go.

    AppleTV can improve to do these things and more:

    1. Video Jukebox - for your movies that you buy on iTunes or
    those you make yourself (or rip yourself). Make it much
    easier to synchronize with the Mac through iTunes.

    2. Music Jukebox - with iTunes software like the iPhone and
    iPod Touch have. This allows AppleTV to become part of your
    stereo system - like the iPod can be.

    3. Photo Viewer - to view your favorite photographs of family,
    etc.

    4. Video Games and Apps - casual games would be a huge hit.
    Current games on other machines require too much time and
    brain power. They are too stressful. Easy, relaxing casual
    games would be a fantastic option that AppleTV can bring.
    Make it even easier by buying them from iTunes and
    synchronize them with the Mac. Imagine family games on the
    AppleTV. It can blow out Nintendo.

    5. Web Surfing. It would be nice to look up answers to
    questions quickly. Doit on the AppleTV. With LCD TVs and
    Plasma TVs essentially being large computer monitors, this is
    easy to do these days.

    6. Connections (via Apple or 3rd Parties) to Hulu, YouTube, and
    other sources of video.

    To accomplish this, AppleTV improvements include:

    1. Keyboard or a better data entry or control device.
    Bluetooth Keyboard would be fantastic. Motion sensitive
    controller would be fantastic.
    2. 1-2 Gig Hard Drive - just like the new Time Capsule. Or
    make the hard drive upgradable, with the operating system in
    Flash RAM.
    3. 1-GIG ethernet and Wireless networking.
    4. Upgrade in CPU and GPU.
    5. Upgrade in RAM.

    It would be like an Apple Mini but without the disk drive and
    expansion capabilities of a full computer. It is much simpler.
    It would have a much simpler interface - more like the
    iPhone/iPad interface - to go with its entertainment focus.
    Since it is simpler than the Mac Mini, it would cost much less.

    The Time Capsule costs $499.

    It would be nice if Apple could match this price with the
    AppleTV.

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    ErikSherman

    08/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Apple TV Doesn't Make Sense

    James, Apple doesn't enter markets indiscriminately, better product or not. I was pointing out some of the common factors that I've seen in their successful ventures. One of the things Apple ties to do is come up with features that are completely out of what people expect from a given type of product. None of what you mention seems that far removed from current developments in TV sets. It might please the ******** Apple enthusiasts, but to make it in TV, you can't make the device depend on someone's computer. In addition, too many standard TVs are about to come with Ethernet as a regular feature so they won't need the computer. I think the dynamics are off, particularly as they seem to do best with an emerging product category, not an established one.

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    ErikSherman

    08/25/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Apple TV Doesn't Make Sense

    Hmm - I hand't realized that I had typed in asterisks. Strange typo, no hidden meaning there.

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    conlad

    08/25/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Apple TV Doesn't Make Sense

    I'm inclined to agree with Erik here, as Apple's record is rarely about entering such a crowded market without something radical in hand. And I guess that's the question, isn't it? If Jobs has an ace hidden somewhere that can really make this TV very different than the others, then it would be consistent.

    Obviously, we can only speculate for now and jameskatt takes the most logical road: A TV rounds up the integrated entertainment center Apple products can offer when they are brought together. But Erik points out all the misgivings in that strategy and besides, others are doing just that so Apple should just focus on better services for their current products and make sure the Tablet is a real success.

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    ErikSherman

    08/25/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Apple TV Doesn't Make Sense

    How about a mobile TV? Or combo mobile TV and gaming device? Like a portable DVD player with HD wireless streaming added? Of course, I could see AT&T, et. al. slitting their wrists at the idea of adding yet more high volume traffic, given that the minority of smartphone owners are certainly cranking up the network congestion.

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    McDaveH

    08/27/09 | Report as spam

    Not yet...

    Though integrating internet/media services with a TV would be
    ideal we're too far away from knowing what's going to work so
    the STB makes sense for now.

    At James - congratulations! You get the award for the least
    informed post of the day!...

    Your wish-list:
    1. ATV already does this
    2. ATV already does this
    3. ATV already does this
    4. Maybe - we'll see
    5. No thanks - tried it on a Mac hooked up to the TV, browsing
    only gives access to streams which leads us to...
    6. ATV already has YouTube, as with all streaming services
    it's a gimmick, nothing wrong with Hulu but the internet is
    nowhere near robust enough to deliver any realtime service.
    No thanks!

    Your 'improvements'
    1. We already use our iPod Touches/iPhones - awesome ATV
    controller with built-in keyboard!
    2. Mine already has 40GB, I think you meant 1-2TB but why?
    ATV's just a streaming media extender with a cache not a
    media hub
    3. Already has both (including 802.11n years ago)
    4 & 5. Why? ATV is an application-specific box, boosting HW
    won't make it better. I was going to say what assumptive
    reasoning are you using but most PC-uses are brainwashed
    into think hardware is everything - step away from specs
    you're not qualified to understand.

    Before suggesting improvements you might want to actually
    understand the product you're talking about. Your comment
    about sync implies that knowledge but the absence of
    everything else shows your 'knowledge' isn't real.

    For me, all ATV needs is a TV show rentals function, multi-
    series bundles and TV as we know it just got replaced.

    McD

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    PeterJ42

    10/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Apple TV Doesn't Make Sense

    I remember them saying that Apple shouldn't enter the mobile
    phone market as it was mature and Apple couldn't add value.

    I believe we have reached a tipping point in TV. I personally
    haven't watched live TV for almost a year - I use my automatic
    DVR. Such a service, handled with somethinng like the iTunes
    store, could give true TV on demand with series you want to
    watch automatically recorded when available and it could use
    genius technology to fill your hard drive with content you want
    to watch whenever it suits you. That could be a compelling new
    product - if they can get the networks to play ball (they had to
    knock heads together on audio).

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    ErikSherman

    11/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Apple TV Doesn't Make Sense

    >> I remember them saying that Apple shouldn't enter the mobile phone market as it was mature and Apple couldn't add value. <<

    There were some big differences, though. The iPhone had features and UI that simply couldn't be touched by anyone else. Apple TV, even with the new interface, just doesn't have that kind of innate appeal. Whether it can add value or not is immaterial, because it isn't adding enough to attract attention.

    As far as a combo DVR/content on demand store, it won't work for Apple because, at least presently, Apple can't get direct access to consumers. It has to work with the cable/satellite companies, which want to sell on-demand content themselves. I think the dynamics of the market just won't work for the company.

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    McDaveH

    11/02/09 | Report as spam

    Yes & no...

    ...I think you're right with market dynamics, iPhones follow a
    similar contract model to other phones but AppleTV only
    delivers a la carte content which is the exception elsewhere.
    Apple need to re-think owning TV shows.

    As a stand-alone product AppleTV doesn't have traditional
    market access but it's never really been stand-alone. Instead
    it leverages 100 million iTunes subscribers and to this end it
    has good potential market access.

    Unfortunately it never recovered it's initial panning by the
    techno-ignorati. They saw it as a proprietary device due to it's
    extremely early adoption of H.264 requiring pirate content, at
    that time, to be converted and studio-provided content was
    appalling until Blu-ray brought them into the current century.
    Added to that their total inability to regard the local hard-drive
    as a cache rather than main storage and accept that 1080p
    content isn't really downloadable on standard broadband -
    ignorance, rather than Apple's know-how, prevailed.

    With little modification Apple TV is still a great product but
    yes, the services need work. Before anyone pipes up - no,
    adding streaming rubbish won't help (though a Safari Touch
    browser controlled by an iPod Touch/iPhone would be a
    novelty)

    McD

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