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Delta Replaces Northwest from Los Angeles to Las Vegas

By Brett Snyder | Feb 25, 2009

The simple act of Delta replacing Northwest in a market is nothing special. We’ve seen this time and time again since the merger, as Delta looks to best match capacity and increase utilization of the combined fleet. But the decision to replace Northwest on the Vegas to LA route is actually a very interesting one that’s worth a closer look.

It probably goes without saying that there is a lot of demand for Asian travelers to go to Vegas. Some Asian carriers actually fly to Vegas, but others fly to gateways in LA and San Francisco and then feed domestic airlines to get people to Vegas. Northwest, not having a west coast gateway, used to do the same thing. They would fly passengers from their Tokyo hub to multiple west coast cities and then feed other airlines.

But there was a problem with this strategy. As demand increased, the other domestic airlines started charging more for the service. Northwest would collect the fare from Tokyo to Vegas and then have to give a piece to the other airline for the onward transportation. It got so bad that several years ago, Northwest decided to actually fly the route with its own metal because it made more sense. We still see that structure in place today, and it looks like this:

Northwest 2 Leave Tokyo 335p Arrive LAX 910a
Northwest 628 Leave LAX 1115a Arrive Las Vegas 1224p

Northwest 629 Leave Las Vegas 9a Arrive LAX 1013a
Northwest 1 Leave LAX 1135a Arrive Tokyo 415p (one day later)

But now, Delta is coming in and shaking it up completely. The basic idea of replacing a 148 seat Northwest aircraft with a 70 to 76 seat Delta Connection plane does make sense. Northwest only flew the A320 because it didn’t have smaller planes flying in the West, and Delta has the flexibility to do just that. But Delta has also decided to change the times to break the Tokyo connection. Yikes.

Now, the flights will be lined up to feed the new Delta Sydney flight instead as follows:

Delta 16 Leave Sydney 915a Arrive LAX 6a
Delta 4492 Leave LAX 730a Arrive Las Vegas 840a

Delta 4603 Leave Las Vegas 830p Arrive LAX 940p
Delta 17 Leave LAX 1040p Arrive Sydney 640a (two days later)

These new flights no longer get even close to connecting to the Tokyo flight, and they won’t feed the new Sao Paulo flight either. Delta has decided that it doesn’t need to feed the Tokyo flights anymore, possibly because a smaller plane is now flying the Tokyo route. I suppose it may now rely upon Alaska to get Vegas passengers to Seattle or Portland and then they can carry them on, but this still seems like a shortsighted move simply to fill up a new flight at the expense of an existing one.

In addition to writing BNET's travel industry blog, Brett Snyder also pens the award-winning consumer travel blog, Cranky Flier. You can follow him on Twitter under the name crankyflier.

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    Scottas66

    02/25/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Delta Replaces Northwest from Los Angeles to Las Vegas

    Don't forget Delta also codeshares with SkyTeam partner Korean into Las Vegas. Los Angeles and San Francisco enjoy O&D traffic from Asia. It makes more sense for Delta to connect Asia - Las Vegas passengers through Seattle and Portland, which Delta is ironically serving from Asia again after the Northwest merger. Such a cyclical industry!

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    kt74

    02/27/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Delta Replaces Northwest from Los Angeles to Las Vegas

    No, DL doesn't lose LAS-NRT, it just re-routes pax via SLC when the SLC-NRT route launches in June. Pretty logical really: it means DL can feed both the LAX-SYD and SLC-NRT routes when they launch

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    John Barabino

    03/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Delta Replaces Northwest from Los Angeles to Las Vegas

    The article says the new LAS-LAX flights are
    timed to feed the new LAX-SYD flights.

    Is 1hr really enough time to connect in LAX for
    the SYD flight? Especially to a destination like
    SYD, with flights just once a day and few last
    minute options on other carriers (due to late
    departure time), I'd be hesitant to just have 1hr
    in LAX.

    Whenever I ask an airline which flights wait for
    incoming passengers I get a vague answer, I'd
    be tempted to get an earlier flight to be sure
    not to miss the LAX-SYD flight.

    Anyone know how to find out which flights are
    really considered "feeders" that the international
    departure will generally wait for passengers if
    delayed?


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    brett snyder

    03/02/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Delta Replaces Northwest from Los Angeles to Las Vegas

    @John Barabino - One hour might seem a little tight, but it wouldn't really concern me too much. Going from domestic to international is a pretty easy connection and there really is very little different about that from a passenger perspective than domestic to domestic. Now if that flight ends up being delayed a lot, then we have problems.

    As for which flights are considered "feeders" for international flights, I'm not sure how you could know that for sure. The more passengers that are on a flight connecting to another flight, the better chance that second flight will be held for those people. One way to do it is to look at Flightstats.com and you could track how often the flights were on time.

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